Frank was recently interviewed about ROSIE by David Spicer for a theatre magazine.
Q. What is it about the story of Rosie that inspired you to write a musical about her?
A. The original inspiration to write a musical about Rose Shaw was
producer Gay Daniel's. It was a very good idea. Here was a real Sydney
character who for 40 years sang opera and operetta in Martin Place
while she sold flowers from her stall. Thousands of ordinary people
knew her during the day and a very different lot of rather
extraordinary people knew her in her private life. Rosie's Kings Cross
flat was famous for its goings-on, its ever-changing cast of bohemian
characters. So when Gay asked me to read through her collected research
I was intrigued. And when she told me that Peter Stannard was writing
the songs I was convinced.
Q. Was Rosie well known in her time?
A. Definitely - as a key member of the Sydney florists brigade, as
an eccentric saleswoman in the centre of town for all those years, and
as an inspiration to two or three generations of Kings Cross drop-outs,
gays and nonconformists.
Q. Did you ever meet her?
A. My first job out of high school was as a junior-junior
advertising copywriter for a long-gone city department store called
Ashleys-Buckingham. Our office was on the first floor of the Strand
Arcade and most nights I walked down to the Quay to catch the Mosman
ferry home. I clearly remember Rosie singing Vilia from 'The Merry
Widow' as she sold her flowers to the passing trade. She had brightly
coloured red hair. To my 18 year old eyes she looked far too outgoing
and unpredictable, well worth avoiding.
Q. How much of the musical is fact and how much is fiction?
A. Well, I read everything that Gay had collected about Rosie,
press cuttings and newspaper mentions of her death in 1971. One of her
young fans (she had many) was Philip Napier who self-published a
glowing memoir of Rosie in 1994. It contained some excellent
photographs and some interesting basic facts about, for instance, her
upbringing in the East End of London. But there wasn't enough narrative
or character detail to sustain a full-length drama. I soon realised
that there was no way I could bring the real Rose Shaw back to life. I
had to invent my own Rosie, in a story with a theme that interested me,
with an unexpected narrative and a satisfying high-energy resolution.
Q. Is the music in the style that she would have liked performing?
A. Probably not. She seemed to have been a bit of a musical snob,
much more interested in opera and ballet, in High Culture. It's a great
clash, really - there she is, a street person, 40 years on her feet in
Martin Place dressed in gumboots and layers of clothes, and at night
she would dress in her satins, jewellery and furs, hire a Rolls Royce
and sit in her favourite seat at the ballet. The time span of the
musical stretches from the 20s in London to the 70s in Sydney, and
Peter Stannard made the correct decision in my view not to change the
style of music as we move through the decades. It's pure melodic
Stannard all the way. (Except we do have a terrific Jitterbug in the
40s!)
Q. What will the audience take away from the show - in respect to their impression of Rosie?
A. At this unrehearsed, early stage I can only tell you what I hope
they'll take away. Our Rosie is a warm, tough, caring, non-judgemental
person, who inspires love and affection in Martin Place and Kings
Cross. But she has some difficulties in assessing her own talents and
the effect she has on those who love her. Our Rosie has inappropriate
aspirations - she follows dreams that can never be realised. But she
has a hell of a life, an inspiring life - a real Sydney life.
Q. Geraldine Turner as Rosie - how excited are you to have her as your leading lady?
A. How lucky are we! Of course, everything hung on the casting of
Rosie, who is actually never off the stage. She's either telling us
about her life or re-living it for us. Actually, I tell a lie, she does
leave the stage once in the First Act - to do the world's fastest quick
change! Geraldine hardly hesitated, or so it seemed to me. I sent her
the script, she could see the songs were by Stannard, and she said
Let's go! I could hardly believe it. To hear her read the lines, start
to find the character, is a great joy. I have no doubt that she will be
wonderful. She will make you laugh and make you cry and fill your soul
with happiness. What more could you want from a musical?
Q. How are the Elizabethan Theatre Trust helping and what is their connection to you or Peter?
A. Peter's musical Lola Montez was the Trust's first musical
production. This was in 1959. I clearly remember the big hit song
'Saturday Girl'. The show was very big, an important landmark in
Australian theatre history, and is still being revived regularly by
amateur companies. And in the 90s the Trust awarded Peter a scholarship
to study musicals in New York. So when the revitalised Trust decided to
celebrate their 50th Anniversary in 2005, they agreed to mark their new
ownership of the beautiful Independent Theatre, North Sydney, by
hosting Peter's new musical - Rosie.